German black-thrashers Desaster don't need any big introduction. Always delivering great stuff. I had a very long and nice chat with guitarist Infernal K. about the new album and some things I had read in a German magazine. Out came a very interesting, funny and profound interview. Enjoy reading.

Michael

Hi Markus, my wife is always making fun of me that my first question usually is "how are you"? So this time let me ask you: are you crazy?

Haha, why, are you crazy?

Well, I read that you don't want to do another album any more. What's going on? You cannot mean this serious!

Well, you never know exactly. At the moment we really have come to the point that we felt it quite exhausting to record the album. We worked about nine months on it very intense and once again we had a lot of technical issues, the vocals lines had vanished and had to be recorded completely new so it was a complete disaster, as always. It is always difficult to do a whole album because we don't rehearse that often anymore. We rehearse once in a month or even once in two months and you also have to practice old songs for live gigs. And if you do a new album, you have to do ten more songs at each rehearsal and this is super exhausting. For sure we like the song writing the most but we want to focus more on some temporarily projects such as singles or EPs. My idea right now would be to release a single every time we have finished three songs and when three singles are released to put the songs as a whole on an album. This is something I can imagine but a whole album after four or five years, no let it be (laughs). I was short before a burn-out.

Well, to be honest, I guess releasing some singles and putting them on a full-length afterwards is something that might not be too popular for the fans…

You don't think so? I always thought that our fans are underground and I also like this kind of releases.

Hm, I don't have the best feeling with things like these. But this is my opinion, of course it is possible that everybody else thinks that this is a cool thing.

I think that these days it becomes more and more difficult to keep the people listing to a whole album. I have the feeling that nobody except us old farts nobody does that anymore. The younger people just listen on Spotify some songs, sometimes even just for 15 seconds and then they skip. I doubt that they have the patience listening to a record with a beer and to skip sides in the middle of the album. The listening habits have changed. Of course we wouldn't say that we don't make any more records because of that but it really is a phenomenon of the modern times.

Fair enough but then Hollywood could also say that they don't make any more movies because the kids can't follow the plot after 20 minutes.

To be honest, sometimes I like this thought. I almost watch series only where one episode lasts about 45 minutes. Best is half an hour. After that I cannot focus on it, haha! This "Lord Of The Rings" movie with three hours running time – no, for this I don't have any time and also no mood for that!

Then you have watch it in two sessions.

Yep, when we watch movies, they are split and I always fall asleep.

Yeah, we all don't get younger.

And what comes to all that, I have so much to do. I had with Moontowers, my other band, also a new album in creation process. It isn't released yet although we started earlier with that one and also there a lot of things went wrong. Only catastrophes!

Coming back to Desaster – if you would record some stuff again, what about the idea to re-record "Evil Arschloch" (means "Evil Asshole"in English) from your first demo? I mean, every day you can see so many evil assholes in the news and somewhere else.

Laughs. That's right! Then we could dedicate that song to a lot of politicians and many more, haha! What is going on these days is really strange. Due to that, the album title was created. In the past we had, apart from "Evil Arschloch" songs like "God Is Dead" or "Scream For Mercy". As Venom fans, it was mandatory that we sing about hell, Satan and demons. Of course it was never meant to be that serious. I have to do my outing here. I am actually no Satanist. I am sorry, dear fans! In the past we sang about the hell that is described in the bible which is some sort of fantasy book like "Lord Of The Rings", today we sing about the real hell. This is here. Just turn on the news. It is all around us. Our vocalist is quite pissed-off and lets it all out in his lyrics. All these self-proclaimed idols, all these politicians and religious fanatics that destroy the Earth and who are just led by greed and pull out the money out of the people's pockets to spend a luxury life themselves…it is really terrible what's going on in the world. So our vocalist said that he dedicates the album title to all of that. But everybody can put in his own idol into that. For some also teachers are idols, haha! And I bet that you have also some teacher colleagues about whom you might say that they failed in their profession. But they are put in front of the class as some kind of role models and you don't get rid of them. They are there and you have to suffer them for years. I had the same. I also had some colleagues who were really shitty. Nothing else to say about that.

Yes, sometimes it can be pretty hard, I know what you're talking about. Sometimes you even have to switch your place of work. But you can also have soccer player as idols, for example players from Schalke 04 (Infernals' favorite German soccer club which has a huge rivalry with my soccer club; M.).

Haha!!! I really would like to kill them although the new season is pretty good at the moment.

Yeah, I really hope that they will ascend into the first league again. I am eager for a derby once again. That was way too long this hasn't happened. But coming back to the lyrics and social criticism: "Towards Oblivion" also deals with the topic that we destroy our planet but that our planet is surviving us.

That's right. Our vocalist made some thoughts about that and it goes a little bit into the direction of "Learn To Love The Void" from our last album. It dealt with the fact that there were probably much lesser conflicts between people if there weren't having wars because of religion and to just accept that after death comes nothing. You would not need to argue who has the best religion and the greatest god or where the most beautiful paradise is but if everybody would accept the void, we had much more peace. Into this direction tends "Towards Oblivion" also, everybody can notice what is happening on Earth, all the greed mankind has and we are the worst predator on this planet and we don't only kill each other but take everything we can. I don't want to know how many species we already have become extinct since mankind exists. At a certain point we will extinct ourselves but okay, Earth will survive. I guess there will be some bugs left when mankind has ceased. I wouldn't even say it's social criticism, this is a difficult term but our vocalist is describing. He is describing the state of our world and he also doesn't want to change anything, he just says it is as it is and man is presumptuous and thinks that he is the pride of creation. Since the Age of Enlightenment we think that we are so rational but no. You can see it every day how rational mankind is. Because of that we will destroy ourselves at a certain point. That's just a determination and Desaster are producing the soundtrack to that.

And it seems that you took some natural science books to mind also. "Ash Cloud Ritual" with the volcanic eruption, Earth starts to freeze and become dark….and "Stellar Remnant" might be about something in space that explodes. Don't know exactly, I don't have the lyrics.

Exact. Our vocalist subscribes some scientific magazines which he reads with a lot of passion, especially about some theories that are presented there. So it's about the big bang theory, black holes and I don't know what. That's too high for me (laughs). When I was a kid, I was also interested in astronomy but it was more about knowing the planets (laughs). A black hole goes far beyond my imagination. But our vocalist is interested in these things and puts it into his lyrics. And there are also a lot of personal things in them. He had a period of insomnia lately where "Thrones Of Ecstasy" was created. I still didn't get the connection between sitting on a throne of ecstasy when you cannot sleep but he is processing all this in his lyrics.

Yeah, I can tell you…when I come back from class trips that lasted some days I also feel like having consumed a lot of drugs.

Yes, this state has an influence on you. This can be euphoric but it can make you mad also. He has to take care about his health; also his job is very exhausting. He is the organizer for some events in the association community. They are doing some concerts with cover bands like Deep Purple or Pink Floyd and I guess he underestimated how much work it is. This is a lot of public work and he doesn't like to be in the focus. He also doesn't like to be in the spotlight which you might not guess. He really doesn't like this star hype. "Kill All Idols" is also against this hype around musicians and he doesn't like when people are coming to him and worshipping him because he is the vocalist of Desaster. On the other side he also isn't the guy who would get autographs from other people.

I didn't like your new album that much when I heard it the first times but it took me some time to get used to it. First of all are some doom songs on it and with "Ash Cloud Ritual" you have this war metal song on it. Can you comprehend that some people might have difficulties with it?

I was very surprised that all reviews were great so far. In my private environment was only one person who said it wasn't his cup of tea. But music is personal taste, some things you like instantly, others not, some things you have to find into but of course I accept it when people don't like it. I won't change my song writing because of this and there are a lot of old fans that say we should do something in the vein of our first record with more black metal in it. Others say we should do more thrash metal – Desaster is a mixture of it all. I think we never had so many different things on an album like this time. Of course you can criticize that too because there is no common thread in it (laughs). But despite the fact that we have a punk song with "They Are The Law" and a super fast one with "Great Repulsive Force" you can always hear that it is Desaster.

It's just…when I got the promo and I always copy them on my watch, I wanted to go running but this was quite tough for me to get a good pace with that. Of course there are great songs on it and it is a good album but not easy listening. "They Are The Law" reminded me right from the start of "Iron Fist". Was that intentional?

That's more inspired by The Exploited. They also have a similar song with a bass at the start and we always wanted to do something like that. We all are punk fans and between the two albums we released this punk single with some cover versions ("Here Lies Desaster"; M.) and we always wanted to write a Desaster song in a punk dress.

"Ash Cloud Ritual" kicks off very slow but also has some war metal elements in it. Does it accidentally have anything to do with your other project "Doom Cult Commando"?

Haha, this is the whole time super fast stuff. This is also really great, I love it. There you can let loose and is something totally different. It was a lot of fun to make music with the guys and it can be that it had a little influence. We never had anything like that on a Desaster album before. I mean we had some fast black metal stuff but never such a blunt thrashing with a very simple riff and less melodies as possible. I thought that the song was very doomy in the middle part, even slower than Asphyx, and as a contrast something fast before and after that slow part would be cool and enhances more power to it.

The album cover is the first one after 20 years which was created by Chris Moyen. The last one he did for you is on "Angelwhore". Why did you ask him now once again?

That was more a coincidence it is 20 years now. It all was quite clear concerning the concept which was in our vocalists' brain. He had the title and a clear vision of what should be on the cover. Maybe you have recognized, it is a classic painting made by Caravaccio in the 16th century. He did a biblical scene called "Judith Beheading Holofernes". Holofernes was a general and they had conquered half of Palestine and oppressed the citizens there. Judith ensnared him and they had a nice encounter and the next morning she hit off his head and saved her people. It shall not have anything to do with today's politics, we don't interfere into that, but our vocalist liked this painting and also thought it would match perfect as cover and to the album title.

Well and soon the winter is coming and you move into your model railway basement?

Haha, actually I am quite often there. I have a dartboard there so I let the train drive, play darts and listen to music.

What model railway do you have?

I have a Fleischmann.

Ah, cool. I have a Märklin HO.

Yes, I have also HO. I inherited it from my dad and there is a cool story. My brothers are about 10 years older than me and at that time home births were quite often. One day the doctor came with the midwife to our house because my mother had contractions. So he came in and saw that model railway and was totally flashed. So he played with my dads' model railway and my mom was screaming. She wanted to deliver the baby and they played with the railway first. So I got the railways from my dad who died some years ago. I have it because of nostalgic reasons, I don't play with it every day nor do I work on it too often but I run it sometimes, think of my parents and the old times, this is really nice.

Yes, same here. So I have come to an end with my questions, the last words belong to you!

I want to say thank you to all our fans who in parts are accompanying us since our demo times. I talked to a guy lately who said that he even likes the new album, of course it isn't as good as the demos, haha! Since the demo they became shit, haha! But to be honest, every band has released their best album when they were young. You are fresh, wild and you have ideas and in the past all that was quite new. Today it is quite tricky to do something worldshaking. Even Iron Maiden – the new albums probably aren't bad but they never can reach "Killers" or "Number Of The Beast". We know it too and we know that our best ones were "Hellfire's Dominion" or "Tyrants Of The Netherworld" but still we have a lot of fans from the past and we won't win too many new fans anymore (laughs). But kids who like Midnight or stuff like that sometimes come to our shows and are telling us that they recently discovered us. Cheers to you all and thanks for the long support! We stay alive and even if we won't release a new album anymore there will be new stuff coming from us and also live we will move our old bones and get on stage.